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	<title>Comments on: Back to basics: Should PLM Take Control of Your BOMs?</title>
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	<description>Product Lifecycle Management by Oleg Shilovitsky</description>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/11/back-to-basics-should-plm-take-control-of-your-boms/#comment-3382</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George, Agree. However, unfortunately I can see how different functional teams (divisions) in an organization are trying to split BOM in separate pieces. Happy Holidays! Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, Agree. However, unfortunately I can see how different functional teams (divisions) in an organization are trying to split BOM in separate pieces. Happy Holidays! Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: George Lewis</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/11/back-to-basics-should-plm-take-control-of-your-boms/#comment-3380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Oleg, I agree with you that the BOM belongs to the organization.  No single entity owns it, all contribute to it, and it (along with the supporting documents &amp; approved sources) is the DNA of a company.   I&#039;d contend it is the most important asset - above all others.   Happy Holidays!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oleg, I agree with you that the BOM belongs to the organization.  No single entity owns it, all contribute to it, and it (along with the supporting documents &amp; approved sources) is the DNA of a company.   I&#8217;d contend it is the most important asset &#8211; above all others.   Happy Holidays!</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/11/back-to-basics-should-plm-take-control-of-your-boms/#comment-3331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George, Thanks for your comments! I understand where are you coming from by mentioning PLM-centric and CAD-centric. All these characteristics are belonging to my 1st option. You are trying to split BOM between functional/process domains. The alternative is to break walls and to have one lean BOM. In this case, you can forget about ownership and belonging of BOM to the specific system. BOM belongs to the organization. What do you think about this option? Best Regards, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, Thanks for your comments! I understand where are you coming from by mentioning PLM-centric and CAD-centric. All these characteristics are belonging to my 1st option. You are trying to split BOM between functional/process domains. The alternative is to break walls and to have one lean BOM. In this case, you can forget about ownership and belonging of BOM to the specific system. BOM belongs to the organization. What do you think about this option? Best Regards, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: George Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Lewis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Oleg-

As always, your blog posts inspire interesting debate!   I&#039;ll attempt to take off my &quot;Arena hat&quot; for awhile to consider the question more broadly.  I&#039;ve worked for numerous PLM companies to date, and each had a unique view on the problem.

In the PLM companies whose primary focus was MCAD, the BOM was always a secondary concept.   For them, PLM primarily was focused on driving 3D data to all corners of an organization.  Other engineering disciplines where often an afterthought to these providers.  These PLM systems were best suited for mostly mechanical companies.   Automobiles and aircraft were the strong areas for their PLM deployments (and with good reason!).   These companies may have printed circuit boards, or software designers, in their product, but that particular discipline would be outsourced to a vendor or it would be a minor part of the development process that could easily be segmented onto an island.

Other PLM players take a more general view of the matter, and don&#039;t focus on MCAD alone.   Companies like Agile and Matrix One (Arena fits here) focus on integrating the needs of multi-disciplinary design and sharing that information with others.   There may be PCB designers, MCAD users, software developers, artwork designers and many others involved in the product design.  High tech electronics, consumer goods, and medical devices come to mind here.   For these companies, management and delivery of MCAD data alone will not suffice.   They must capture all the design information from each of the entities, organize it in a logical way, and then manage the approval of this information prior to release to ERP.   In these companies I would contend there is no way to capture all the information without a centralized BOM in PLM.   Each entity may only be contributing to &quot;their&quot; BOM, but a global BOM is needed for release control of the full product.

OK, so that was pretty long winded.   In short, I think a BOM-less PLM can work in mechanically focused companies.   There still are questions of data effectivity, dispositioning prior to release, and 3rd party data to consider (think compliance, etc), so a pre-ERP BOM would likely still be wise.   For companies involved in designing products across many departments and disciplines, a pre-ERP BOM is an absolute necessity.

For me, the real debate is to when/where a eBOM (engineering BOM) becomes the mBOM (aka pBOM, the manufacturing BOM).  Some say the mBOM should only exist in ERP.  I disagree, but that is a topic for another day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oleg-</p>
<p>As always, your blog posts inspire interesting debate!   I&#8217;ll attempt to take off my &#8220;Arena hat&#8221; for awhile to consider the question more broadly.  I&#8217;ve worked for numerous PLM companies to date, and each had a unique view on the problem.</p>
<p>In the PLM companies whose primary focus was MCAD, the BOM was always a secondary concept.   For them, PLM primarily was focused on driving 3D data to all corners of an organization.  Other engineering disciplines where often an afterthought to these providers.  These PLM systems were best suited for mostly mechanical companies.   Automobiles and aircraft were the strong areas for their PLM deployments (and with good reason!).   These companies may have printed circuit boards, or software designers, in their product, but that particular discipline would be outsourced to a vendor or it would be a minor part of the development process that could easily be segmented onto an island.</p>
<p>Other PLM players take a more general view of the matter, and don&#8217;t focus on MCAD alone.   Companies like Agile and Matrix One (Arena fits here) focus on integrating the needs of multi-disciplinary design and sharing that information with others.   There may be PCB designers, MCAD users, software developers, artwork designers and many others involved in the product design.  High tech electronics, consumer goods, and medical devices come to mind here.   For these companies, management and delivery of MCAD data alone will not suffice.   They must capture all the design information from each of the entities, organize it in a logical way, and then manage the approval of this information prior to release to ERP.   In these companies I would contend there is no way to capture all the information without a centralized BOM in PLM.   Each entity may only be contributing to &#8220;their&#8221; BOM, but a global BOM is needed for release control of the full product.</p>
<p>OK, so that was pretty long winded.   In short, I think a BOM-less PLM can work in mechanically focused companies.   There still are questions of data effectivity, dispositioning prior to release, and 3rd party data to consider (think compliance, etc), so a pre-ERP BOM would likely still be wise.   For companies involved in designing products across many departments and disciplines, a pre-ERP BOM is an absolute necessity.</p>
<p>For me, the real debate is to when/where a eBOM (engineering BOM) becomes the mBOM (aka pBOM, the manufacturing BOM).  Some say the mBOM should only exist in ERP.  I disagree, but that is a topic for another day!</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/11/back-to-basics-should-plm-take-control-of-your-boms/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yoann, you are welcome! I&#039;m looking forward your comments. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoann, you are welcome! I&#8217;m looking forward your comments. Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: yoann maingon - Prodeos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yoann maingon - Prodeos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Oleg,
Don&#039;t have time yet to put some thought on the topic now, but i&#039;ll surely do later. it&#039;s just to thanks you for this series of post getting back to the root problems!
let&#039;s solve the root problems!

best regards,
yoann]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oleg,<br />
Don&#8217;t have time yet to put some thought on the topic now, but i&#8217;ll surely do later. it&#8217;s just to thanks you for this series of post getting back to the root problems!<br />
let&#8217;s solve the root problems!</p>
<p>best regards,<br />
yoann</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/11/back-to-basics-should-plm-take-control-of-your-boms/#comment-3254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, thank you for your example. This is definitely the case when I think the value of PLM dominating in the organization. Do you carry multiple BOM concepts in your Bill of Materials, like Design, Engineering, Manufacturing, others? Did you make any functional split between PLM and ERP? Who &quot;owns&quot; manufacturing BOM? In my view, the devil in details. But what I liked is your 1st question... Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thank you for your example. This is definitely the case when I think the value of PLM dominating in the organization. Do you carry multiple BOM concepts in your Bill of Materials, like Design, Engineering, Manufacturing, others? Did you make any functional split between PLM and ERP? Who &#8220;owns&#8221; manufacturing BOM? In my view, the devil in details. But what I liked is your 1st question&#8230; Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manoj, great quote. I like it. The biggest problem of functional separation as I can see it is in following cost of integration. This is something that burden manufacturing a lot in enterprise systems. Oracle and SAP are trying to resolve it (by Oracel AIA and SAP netweaver). In most implementations, I&#039;ve seen integration between functional domains is a mess and required a lot of work, money and efforts from implementation side. Single integrated BOM is an interesting option, but requires people to agree about how they will work together. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manoj, great quote. I like it. The biggest problem of functional separation as I can see it is in following cost of integration. This is something that burden manufacturing a lot in enterprise systems. Oracle and SAP are trying to resolve it (by Oracel AIA and SAP netweaver). In most implementations, I&#8217;ve seen integration between functional domains is a mess and required a lot of work, money and efforts from implementation side. Single integrated BOM is an interesting option, but requires people to agree about how they will work together. Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Tate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Tate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the answer should start with the answers to the following questions.
1. Who is blamed if the BOM is wrong?
2. What system is the BOM created in?
3. Does your business get value out of the 3D models to validate design, assembly processes, service, etc?

If your answers are the same as my company (Engineering, PLM, and YES), then the BOM should be controled in the PLM system.  The first two questions are fairly self explanatory.  The last question is typically less understood.  For 3D models to flow and be used through the value chain, positional information, alternate geometry, simplified models, etc must be integrated into the BOM.  ERP system are not designed to manage this information.

So,for me the PLM should manage/control the BOM in the context of the sale options or feature codes and pass this information to the ERP system to take orders, manage demand, control the movement of materials, and doing the accounting functions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer should start with the answers to the following questions.<br />
1. Who is blamed if the BOM is wrong?<br />
2. What system is the BOM created in?<br />
3. Does your business get value out of the 3D models to validate design, assembly processes, service, etc?</p>
<p>If your answers are the same as my company (Engineering, PLM, and YES), then the BOM should be controled in the PLM system.  The first two questions are fairly self explanatory.  The last question is typically less understood.  For 3D models to flow and be used through the value chain, positional information, alternate geometry, simplified models, etc must be integrated into the BOM.  ERP system are not designed to manage this information.</p>
<p>So,for me the PLM should manage/control the BOM in the context of the sale options or feature codes and pass this information to the ERP system to take orders, manage demand, control the movement of materials, and doing the accounting functions.</p>
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		<title>By: Manoj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manoj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owning BOM is an open question that will bring in a tug of war between ERP and PLM system owners. The option of Spliting Bill of Materials between functional processes excites me the most whih I believe is possible. But in this world where control and power comes before &quot;benefit to end user&quot; that standardization can only be dreamt of. However, vendors who have both PLM and ERP products (SAP, Oracle etc) can help bring in that functional seperation and we can hope that others will follow suite...

To end it I have a quote that I read somewhere,

&quot;Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owning BOM is an open question that will bring in a tug of war between ERP and PLM system owners. The option of Spliting Bill of Materials between functional processes excites me the most whih I believe is possible. But in this world where control and power comes before &#8220;benefit to end user&#8221; that standardization can only be dreamt of. However, vendors who have both PLM and ERP products (SAP, Oracle etc) can help bring in that functional seperation and we can hope that others will follow suite&#8230;</p>
<p>To end it I have a quote that I read somewhere,</p>
<p>&#8220;Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.&#8221;</p>
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