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	<title>Comments on: PLM Open Source: Business or Social Need?</title>
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	<description>Product Lifecycle Management by Oleg Shilovitsky</description>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/01/plm-open-source-business-or-social-need/#comment-3440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paritosh, As far as I know Aras requires MS SQL Server. I agree, this is sort of limitation, especially if you go to bigger accounts. Thanks for your comments! Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paritosh, As far as I know Aras requires MS SQL Server. I agree, this is sort of limitation, especially if you go to bigger accounts. Thanks for your comments! Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: Paritosh Deshmukh</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/01/plm-open-source-business-or-social-need/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paritosh Deshmukh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Open Source PLM is good idea; it would help in realizing latest process practiced in industry. Also, another advantage is to develop unique solution using opens source plm to fit in gaps which cannot be easily realized.

In case of Aras, it is like an Aras and Microsoft hand in glove. For every sale of Aras there is a guaranteed sale of Microsoft IT infrastructure like server and tools for developing utilities. 

This strategy my find takers in some segment but not in majority of segment as the IT strategy of the manufacturing companies drive the technology and not otherway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Source PLM is good idea; it would help in realizing latest process practiced in industry. Also, another advantage is to develop unique solution using opens source plm to fit in gaps which cannot be easily realized.</p>
<p>In case of Aras, it is like an Aras and Microsoft hand in glove. For every sale of Aras there is a guaranteed sale of Microsoft IT infrastructure like server and tools for developing utilities. </p>
<p>This strategy my find takers in some segment but not in majority of segment as the IT strategy of the manufacturing companies drive the technology and not otherway.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marc, thanks! I understand you are not focusing specifically on community building and invest into product development. In the end, community will be the identification of mainstream customer adoption. Good discussion. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, thanks! I understand you are not focusing specifically on community building and invest into product development. In the end, community will be the identification of mainstream customer adoption. Good discussion. Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: MarcL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Oleg – might consider reevaluating your conclusion a bit. While large community may have the “potential” of significant revenues, our experience at Aras has been that there’s a direct correlation between community size and business expenses/overhead.

In fact, I think this is an underlying &amp; unstated point in the NYT article that ‘open source business model is elusive’. Focusing heavily on building a big community is expensive.

It&#039;s awesome to have a million developers doing things, but developers really don&#039;t buy enterprise systems. Business managers / IT executives make purchase decisions.

We believe that to satisfy the requirements of global corporations necessitates delivering a PLM system that is fundamentally better that any of the others.

We focus first and foremost on making sure Aras is the most advanced product on the market... no exceptions. By doing this, people are finding us and the community is building slowly but surely... just like SolidWorks back in the 90’s.

MarcL
http://www.aras.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oleg – might consider reevaluating your conclusion a bit. While large community may have the “potential” of significant revenues, our experience at Aras has been that there’s a direct correlation between community size and business expenses/overhead.</p>
<p>In fact, I think this is an underlying &amp; unstated point in the NYT article that ‘open source business model is elusive’. Focusing heavily on building a big community is expensive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awesome to have a million developers doing things, but developers really don&#8217;t buy enterprise systems. Business managers / IT executives make purchase decisions.</p>
<p>We believe that to satisfy the requirements of global corporations necessitates delivering a PLM system that is fundamentally better that any of the others.</p>
<p>We focus first and foremost on making sure Aras is the most advanced product on the market&#8230; no exceptions. By doing this, people are finding us and the community is building slowly but surely&#8230; just like SolidWorks back in the 90’s.</p>
<p>MarcL<br />
<a href="http://www.aras.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aras.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: AndyF</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David is correct in the sense that Aras isn&#039;t the same model as Wikipedia.  That is, there are not thousands of people adding content with no compensation.

However, we do believe strongly in the concept of community and my team is giving content back to the Aras community as we develop it.  Aras has a share area on their website where members of the community can exchange solutions.  The workflow I write for my business might not work in your business, but maybe one feature of it will.  So the exchange between community members is going to be lower than something like Wiki, but it is still a community.

At the end of the day I don&#039;t really care if Aras is open source or not.  The licenses are free, the software works, and I can exchange ideas with other users.  That model works great for us.  The millions we save on PLM licenses each year can be invested more productively into product development and process improvement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David is correct in the sense that Aras isn&#8217;t the same model as Wikipedia.  That is, there are not thousands of people adding content with no compensation.</p>
<p>However, we do believe strongly in the concept of community and my team is giving content back to the Aras community as we develop it.  Aras has a share area on their website where members of the community can exchange solutions.  The workflow I write for my business might not work in your business, but maybe one feature of it will.  So the exchange between community members is going to be lower than something like Wiki, but it is still a community.</p>
<p>At the end of the day I don&#8217;t really care if Aras is open source or not.  The licenses are free, the software works, and I can exchange ideas with other users.  That model works great for us.  The millions we save on PLM licenses each year can be invested more productively into product development and process improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, You are right. However, my point was that in case of large community the potential of revenues (subscription model) is bigger. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, You are right. However, my point was that in case of large community the potential of revenues (subscription model) is bigger. Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: David Opsahl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Opsahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me there is some confusion here. 

Open source, in its traditional form, is very much about a community, because the &quot;product&quot; is developed, maintained and enhanced for the benefit of the community, and ownership of the IP is in the public domain. Taken in that context, community size certinaly matters.

However, I don&#039;t see this as an adequate description of what Aras is doing, and Andy&#039;s comments re-inforce that. It might be more accurate to describe what Aras and others like them are doing as &quot;open distribution&quot;, rather than open source, because Aras takes its revenues and re-invests them into the product for the benefit of the community; the community itself is not making that investment in any great way. Rather, they (the community) are able to dedicate the vast majority of their expenses to the implementation of the &quot;product&quot; to their particular unique requirements, which may not have value to the larger community.

By breaking down the number one barrier to adoption within the PLM world - license costs - Aras is poised to turn the business model on its head, provided the model has staying power. In other words, as long as they can make a viable business from this new way of looking at the market, there is no reason to doubt that they will continue regardless of the community size.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me there is some confusion here. </p>
<p>Open source, in its traditional form, is very much about a community, because the &#8220;product&#8221; is developed, maintained and enhanced for the benefit of the community, and ownership of the IP is in the public domain. Taken in that context, community size certinaly matters.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t see this as an adequate description of what Aras is doing, and Andy&#8217;s comments re-inforce that. It might be more accurate to describe what Aras and others like them are doing as &#8220;open distribution&#8221;, rather than open source, because Aras takes its revenues and re-invests them into the product for the benefit of the community; the community itself is not making that investment in any great way. Rather, they (the community) are able to dedicate the vast majority of their expenses to the implementation of the &#8220;product&#8221; to their particular unique requirements, which may not have value to the larger community.</p>
<p>By breaking down the number one barrier to adoption within the PLM world &#8211; license costs &#8211; Aras is poised to turn the business model on its head, provided the model has staying power. In other words, as long as they can make a viable business from this new way of looking at the market, there is no reason to doubt that they will continue regardless of the community size.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, I see what you mean. And I can even agree that in your case (when you have experienced implementation team in the house), you can rely on an open source and make all customization and implementation in the house. WOM is a very good thing and information will spread out. On the other side, there are vendor and community. I can see a very strong commitment of Aras to support it. However, to become OS it is not enough, in my view. And community is another component that needed in order to make OS PLM to become sustainable. Does it make sense? Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I see what you mean. And I can even agree that in your case (when you have experienced implementation team in the house), you can rely on an open source and make all customization and implementation in the house. WOM is a very good thing and information will spread out. On the other side, there are vendor and community. I can see a very strong commitment of Aras to support it. However, to become OS it is not enough, in my view. And community is another component that needed in order to make OS PLM to become sustainable. Does it make sense? Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: AndyF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AndyF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oleg,  I understand your trend line info and can understand what you&#039;re seeing based on where you are at.  But from where I&#039;m at, the perspective is different.  I manage a PLM team at a Fortune 100 company and my team has come to the conclusion that we no longer need to buy PLM licenses.  This is a team that is very experienced and very plugged in to the industry.  We&#039;ve come to the conclusion that Aras provides all of the functionality that we need and that therefore we no longer need to pay for PLM licenses.  I talk to my peers in other Fortune 100 companies on a very regular basis.  I can tell you that I get a lot of phone calls every month from people asking about how they can ditch their current PLM vendor.  You might not be seeing the trend line yet but from where I sit, the move to OS has started in full force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oleg,  I understand your trend line info and can understand what you&#8217;re seeing based on where you are at.  But from where I&#8217;m at, the perspective is different.  I manage a PLM team at a Fortune 100 company and my team has come to the conclusion that we no longer need to buy PLM licenses.  This is a team that is very experienced and very plugged in to the industry.  We&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that Aras provides all of the functionality that we need and that therefore we no longer need to pay for PLM licenses.  I talk to my peers in other Fortune 100 companies on a very regular basis.  I can tell you that I get a lot of phone calls every month from people asking about how they can ditch their current PLM vendor.  You might not be seeing the trend line yet but from where I sit, the move to OS has started in full force.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/12/01/plm-open-source-business-or-social-need/#comment-3129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andy, I can try to compare with automotive manufactures today. Nobody expecting a car that you cannot drive out of the dealer shop ;)... Actually, I have my long memories from USSR car back in 1970s and even 80s when you better had to make some finish on car before you can go to the road. So, nobody is trying to say Aras is not working. And I&#039;m getting references on Aras implementations. The only point I wanted to make is that today OS PLM is more on the demand side rather than on the business side. And &quot;community size&quot; is the main criteria for me. When/If community will grow beyond some critical point, it can be considered as successful.
Just my opinion. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, I can try to compare with automotive manufactures today. Nobody expecting a car that you cannot drive out of the dealer shop <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230; Actually, I have my long memories from USSR car back in 1970s and even 80s when you better had to make some finish on car before you can go to the road. So, nobody is trying to say Aras is not working. And I&#8217;m getting references on Aras implementations. The only point I wanted to make is that today OS PLM is more on the demand side rather than on the business side. And &#8220;community size&#8221; is the main criteria for me. When/If community will grow beyond some critical point, it can be considered as successful.<br />
Just my opinion. Best, Oleg</p>
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