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	<title>Comments on: Google Wave in Design and Process Collaboration</title>
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	<description>Product Lifecycle Management by Oleg Shilovitsky</description>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/11/09/google-wave-in-design-and-process-collaboration/#comment-2931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manuel, For me GW make sense in asynchronous communication too. This is not about how to wake Mr.X up- this is about how to make a conversation with reasonable history record (something really missing in most of design collaboration systems today). Peeps are continue to mail...  Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manuel, For me GW make sense in asynchronous communication too. This is not about how to wake Mr.X up- this is about how to make a conversation with reasonable history record (something really missing in most of design collaboration systems today). Peeps are continue to mail&#8230;  Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/11/09/google-wave-in-design-and-process-collaboration/#comment-2930</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, I think &quot;collaboration&quot; is very speculated term in PLM-context. However, I agree - people will come to GW to co-work together better than in mail. I&#039;d expect SharePoint vs. GoogleWave comparison here. http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/. 
On the other side, Gadgets, will be way to connect today&#039;s PLM content to GW collaborative environment. The similar process, btw, happened with SharePoint. 
Thanks for your comments! Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think &#8220;collaboration&#8221; is very speculated term in PLM-context. However, I agree &#8211; people will come to GW to co-work together better than in mail. I&#8217;d expect SharePoint vs. GoogleWave comparison here. <a href="http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/" rel="nofollow">http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/</a>.<br />
On the other side, Gadgets, will be way to connect today&#8217;s PLM content to GW collaborative environment. The similar process, btw, happened with SharePoint.<br />
Thanks for your comments! Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Joseph</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/11/09/google-wave-in-design-and-process-collaboration/#comment-2929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manuel Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not everbody works within a single region. A group is now &quot;people across continents&quot;. On a design/ADM/PDM/PLM perspective, GW will help in PDM/PLM side, but not on design/ADM side, since the design cycle is spread across different regions, with different timeframe. Mr.X will be sleeping in Asia, while Mr.Y (NA)needs immediate answers to get a design resolved. GW is not gonna wake Mr.X up. 
But, GW concept works a charm for groups within a single region on same timezone and its integration to CAD will be a challenge.
As in 3DLive, I could image, designers collaborating LIVE CHAT SESSION (with 3D mouse click --&gt;New Wave )
and closing up queries. 
One day am sure, cost of product will be low.

My thoughts. Comments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everbody works within a single region. A group is now &#8220;people across continents&#8221;. On a design/ADM/PDM/PLM perspective, GW will help in PDM/PLM side, but not on design/ADM side, since the design cycle is spread across different regions, with different timeframe. Mr.X will be sleeping in Asia, while Mr.Y (NA)needs immediate answers to get a design resolved. GW is not gonna wake Mr.X up.<br />
But, GW concept works a charm for groups within a single region on same timezone and its integration to CAD will be a challenge.<br />
As in 3DLive, I could image, designers collaborating LIVE CHAT SESSION (with 3D mouse click &#8211;&gt;New Wave )<br />
and closing up queries.<br />
One day am sure, cost of product will be low.</p>
<p>My thoughts. Comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Burhop</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/11/09/google-wave-in-design-and-process-collaboration/#comment-2928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Burhop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the first impact to PLM will not really be PLM specific.  Its the collaboration capability. There are still some bumps in the road like companies&#039; need for security or desire to use a Microsoft solution but the value is there. 

I think the second impact is what you touched on with gadgets and robots. Here you can be PLM specific and they are much easier to create than I expected. I&#039;m looking forward to seeing a few show up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the first impact to PLM will not really be PLM specific.  Its the collaboration capability. There are still some bumps in the road like companies&#8217; need for security or desire to use a Microsoft solution but the value is there. </p>
<p>I think the second impact is what you touched on with gadgets and robots. Here you can be PLM specific and they are much easier to create than I expected. I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing a few show up.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Francois, thanks for your comment. Workflow approval can be interesting case, I agree. In addition, everything you mentioned related to deployment and maintenance of GW components (gadgets, robots etc.) is important, but unclear for me for the moment. Best, Oleg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francois, thanks for your comment. Workflow approval can be interesting case, I agree. In addition, everything you mentioned related to deployment and maintenance of GW components (gadgets, robots etc.) is important, but unclear for me for the moment. Best, Oleg</p>
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		<title>By: Francois</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Oleg

Yes you are right, google wave may provide new ideas to enterprise application user communities. The question is, for PLM, for which usage?
I do not think the first usage will be with CAD data, because CAD software are deskstop software for years, meaning designed for one user. It may happen in the future, and Vuch or things like that one may be running upfront in that direction.
I think that the example with SAP workflows is a not surprise as a first try to mix GW and an enterprise app. Why? GW is a collaboration tool. Collaboration is by nature bringing several people working together, GW simply bring the ability to several people to work together at the same time. In the PLM context, I see that approval workflows may be the first thing to be enhanced by GW. Why?
- many users would like to be able to approve a document or a change from an iphone while others users explain why the change has to be approved.
- many users are late or miss the approval meeting, GW bring a strong replay feedback
- current PLM apps are too complex to be used by some category of users, and I hope that GW may be simpler.

The last question for me is: how to maintain a GW application, embedding a certain amount of gadgets from different sources, having their own release cycle? Would it be easier for corporate IT deps, compared to current technologies? Not so sure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Oleg</p>
<p>Yes you are right, google wave may provide new ideas to enterprise application user communities. The question is, for PLM, for which usage?<br />
I do not think the first usage will be with CAD data, because CAD software are deskstop software for years, meaning designed for one user. It may happen in the future, and Vuch or things like that one may be running upfront in that direction.<br />
I think that the example with SAP workflows is a not surprise as a first try to mix GW and an enterprise app. Why? GW is a collaboration tool. Collaboration is by nature bringing several people working together, GW simply bring the ability to several people to work together at the same time. In the PLM context, I see that approval workflows may be the first thing to be enhanced by GW. Why?<br />
- many users would like to be able to approve a document or a change from an iphone while others users explain why the change has to be approved.<br />
- many users are late or miss the approval meeting, GW bring a strong replay feedback<br />
- current PLM apps are too complex to be used by some category of users, and I hope that GW may be simpler.</p>
<p>The last question for me is: how to maintain a GW application, embedding a certain amount of gadgets from different sources, having their own release cycle? Would it be easier for corporate IT deps, compared to current technologies? Not so sure?</p>
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