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By: People Centric PLM – A New PLM Age Is Born | The Vuuch Voice

People Centric PLM – A New PLM Age Is Born | The Vuuch Voice — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:44:40 +0000

[...] is somewhat over 10 years old and what about PLM being 10 years long in the tooth?I will borrow Oleg’s simplification position and simplify the development process into three simple states – Design, Release and [...]

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:43:51 +0000

Jim, this is exactly answer that confused me. Here are my question to Robin and other PTC folks – http://plmtwine.com/2009/08/17/how-plm-can-help-me-to-share-product-secrets-in-organization/.
Thanks! Oleg.

By: Jim Brown

Jim Brown — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:51:32 +0000

Thanks to Mark Burhop who (on Twitter) pointed to a post by Robin Saitz of PTC that starts to explain the positioning of ProductPoint and Windchill. http://social-product-development.blogspot.com/2009/08/yes-oleg-you-should-keep-secrets-from.html
Again, better to hear the PTC strategy from PTC than from me.

By: Jim Brown

Jim Brown — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:16:32 +0000

Oleg,
I don’t think that “some stripped capability of Windchill” is a good way to characterize ProductPoint. Yes, it is a simpler PLM tool. But I believe it will mature over time to give Windchill a run for it’s money (if the SharePoint architecture matures to support enterprise-level PLM needs, which will take a lot of time/work).
I poked a couple of people at PTC, maybe they will respond here. I don’t want to represent their direction.
Thanks,
Jim

By: Jim Brown

Jim Brown — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:07:51 +0000

Chris,
To your first point, I think what you are seeing with PTC with ProductPoint is:
- A simpler architecture and user interface for PLM (at a lower total cost of ownership)
- A simpler solution (today) than Windchill, but one that can grow over time to incorporate as much as Windchill (or more) – although this relies on SharePoint’s continued maturation
- A platform to add social computing capabilities to the PTC suite of products (what PTC calls Social Product Development), including Pro/E, Windchill, and probably others over time.
I don’t think that PTC would say that you can’t have a simple but complex (let’s say highly functional) solution. At least to me, that is not how I see the ProductPoint strategy.

To your second point, you are getting paid to go on a trip to Africa and be in a movie, and WE stink? I think you might have things turned around a little bit. I don’t care if you blog, do you need an assistant?

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:00:59 +0000

Chris, Frankly saying, I don’t understood very good what is difference between ProductPoint and WC. I put some questions about that in my today’s post – http://plmtwine.com/2009/08/17/how-plm-can-help-me-to-share-product-secrets-in-organization/. What I know is ProductPoint provide some stripped functionality of WC. So, is it what you call simplicity? Oleg

By: chris

chris — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:59:40 +0000

You guy stink. I am leaving for Africa tomorrow (today doing some stunt work for Norm McDonald) and reading between the lines it seems I will be expected to blog while gone…

By: chris

chris — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:54:41 +0000

You can’t just hide the complexity… The release procedure requires complexity and if PLM desires to complete/deliver the promise then complexity is needed. The point is now when and when not complexity is needed. During Design simplisity is need and during Release complexity is needed. So can you deliver this in one system? PTC seems to say no, as they have released Product Point to address simplicity and WC to address complexity. It is not clear to me how the two are connected or when in the process you transfer from simple to complex… Or maybe Product Point ultimatly replaces WC, I don’t know.

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:52:39 +0000

Jim, thanks! I’m just trying to prove that physical location and virtual presence can be absolutely different. You asked me what environment was around me at the time of blogging last week, so you are welcome to have a look – http://picasaweb.google.com/oleg.shilovitsky/BestOfJamaica2009#.
Best. Oleg.

By: Jim Brown

Jim Brown — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:41:21 +0000

Oleg,
It’s funny, I just added a reply to your comment on my post on redesigning PLM http://tech-clarity.com/clarityonplm/2009/redesign-plm-people/comment-page-1/#comment-292 and I used the analogy of a net-book. It is simple, but less capable. I think I am saying the same thing that you are above with not needing a laptop. In fact, if you follow the analogy further it ties into what I am saying about composite apps using SOA – the netbook (or your phone, etc.) is a “simple” interface that calls web services. What happens behind the scenes may actually be relatively complex, but the interface is hiding that from the user. That is where I think we need to be. All of the capability (which is what I view as “maturity”) but with much simpler access.
At the end of your comment you ask the big question – how do we get customers to transition? There are a lot of IT simplification projects out there, but ripping and replacing PLM is not something companies look forward to. I am curious to see how much of an “evolution” PLM companies will be able to make in moving their existing clients to their new platforms. We will all be keeping our eyes on DS and V6 in that regard, I am sure.
Thanks for the discussion.
PS – Welcome back from vacation, although it didn’t seem much like you were gone. Were you trying to prove your point about blogging with a remote device.