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	<title>Comments on: PLM Collaboration &#8211; To Catch Wave vs. To Share List</title>
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	<description>Product Lifecycle Management by Oleg Shilovitsky</description>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh. excellent thoughts! I will try to make it more granular for the purpose of this discussion. Google Apps capabilities are clear. Even if I had no chance to play around GW, Google Apps/Docs show potential. You can take a look on my post - http://plmtwine.com/2009/05/28/options-to-streamline-plm-collaboration-microsoft-vs-google/. 

1. From collaboration on 3D: I think 3DLive conceptually doing the same. Do you agree? Have you had chance to see it? 

2. On meta-data: I can understand ability to search all data, but how do you see collaboration on meta-data editing. Are you going to co-edit attributes? Do you see it more in connection of document and other unstructured data editing. 

3. You last point -sounds like a great future!

Thanks! Oleg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh. excellent thoughts! I will try to make it more granular for the purpose of this discussion. Google Apps capabilities are clear. Even if I had no chance to play around GW, Google Apps/Docs show potential. You can take a look on my post &#8211; <a href="http://plmtwine.com/2009/05/28/options-to-streamline-plm-collaboration-microsoft-vs-google/" rel="nofollow">http://plmtwine.com/2009/05/28/options-to-streamline-plm-collaboration-microsoft-vs-google/</a>. </p>
<p>1. From collaboration on 3D: I think 3DLive conceptually doing the same. Do you agree? Have you had chance to see it? </p>
<p>2. On meta-data: I can understand ability to search all data, but how do you see collaboration on meta-data editing. Are you going to co-edit attributes? Do you see it more in connection of document and other unstructured data editing. </p>
<p>3. You last point -sounds like a great future!</p>
<p>Thanks! Oleg.</p>
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		<title>By: solidsmack</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solidsmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great question Oleg. first I do see the spectrum, but it is the something that is the focus and the &#039;something&#039; could potentially be &#039;anything&#039;

Google is already getting to the real-time collab stage within google docs. you&#039;ll see when someone else is editing the doc you&#039;re working on.

the same could go for product data and geometry. not that we&#039;ll be fighting over extrudes and cuts, pushing and pulling each others geometry till the wee hours of the night, but that real-time generation of features can be views on each others screen (via broswer).

When product meta-data and properties are created, added changed, revised, this all happens as someone review, works in an assembly or in a production planning environment.

It integrates seamlessly, being completely open, with other database apps that can viewed via web, mobile, with no need of relying on people to make sure the data gets transfered to the right system. Really, the geometry could control everything, be the interface for the process from design to manufacturing.

apologies if this is a bit rambling. :) I get going with this stuff. see ya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great question Oleg. first I do see the spectrum, but it is the something that is the focus and the &#8216;something&#8217; could potentially be &#8216;anything&#8217;</p>
<p>Google is already getting to the real-time collab stage within google docs. you&#8217;ll see when someone else is editing the doc you&#8217;re working on.</p>
<p>the same could go for product data and geometry. not that we&#8217;ll be fighting over extrudes and cuts, pushing and pulling each others geometry till the wee hours of the night, but that real-time generation of features can be views on each others screen (via broswer).</p>
<p>When product meta-data and properties are created, added changed, revised, this all happens as someone review, works in an assembly or in a production planning environment.</p>
<p>It integrates seamlessly, being completely open, with other database apps that can viewed via web, mobile, with no need of relying on people to make sure the data gets transfered to the right system. Really, the geometry could control everything, be the interface for the process from design to manufacturing.</p>
<p>apologies if this is a bit rambling. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I get going with this stuff. see ya.</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh, 

Thanks for your view! You provided very interesting observation with regards to SharePoint. I&#039;d expect MS folks to come and ask you more questions :). Collaboration is about to work together on &quot;something&quot;. This &quot;something&quot; is Wave in GW and List/Folder with MOSS. BTW MOSS is not about Exchange. It can be connected to Exchange/mail, but this is not the core. If we will put current PDM/PLM, SharePoint and Wave on the scale of ability to collaborate on &quot;structure&quot;, you will see PLM and Wave on the opposite sides and SharePoint somewhere in between. 

Product Data and Geometry are more complex. How do you expect them to appear in GW-like style? 

Regard,Oleg/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, </p>
<p>Thanks for your view! You provided very interesting observation with regards to SharePoint. I&#8217;d expect MS folks to come and ask you more questions <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Collaboration is about to work together on &#8220;something&#8221;. This &#8220;something&#8221; is Wave in GW and List/Folder with MOSS. BTW MOSS is not about Exchange. It can be connected to Exchange/mail, but this is not the core. If we will put current PDM/PLM, SharePoint and Wave on the scale of ability to collaborate on &#8220;structure&#8221;, you will see PLM and Wave on the opposite sides and SharePoint somewhere in between. </p>
<p>Product Data and Geometry are more complex. How do you expect them to appear in GW-like style? </p>
<p>Regard,Oleg/</p>
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		<title>By: solidsmack</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[solidsmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[personally, I&#039;ve never liked sharepoint too much. I stopped using it after nightmares with administrating it and dealing with IT. Also, it&#039;s not a readily accessible app, which is where we come with Wave (which I&#039;ve only seen hands-on demos/write-ups on).

I didn&#039;t think of the similarities. Really, I don&#039;t see them them so much. Sure, they are both collaborative in nature, but Wave looks to be be built on new web architecture (real-time web) whereas Sharepoint relies on old architecture (exchange servers.)

There&#039;s two important points there though. Microsoft has the capability to use the real-time web and Wave (Google) is going to have to allow communication with other apps/protocols - email, IM, SMS, etc.

Looking at this from a PLM/CAD perspective into the future, the innovation all starts with bits of text. It&#039;s all 1 and 0&#039;s right? If we can do this with email, why not with product data and geometry next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally, I&#8217;ve never liked sharepoint too much. I stopped using it after nightmares with administrating it and dealing with IT. Also, it&#8217;s not a readily accessible app, which is where we come with Wave (which I&#8217;ve only seen hands-on demos/write-ups on).</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think of the similarities. Really, I don&#8217;t see them them so much. Sure, they are both collaborative in nature, but Wave looks to be be built on new web architecture (real-time web) whereas Sharepoint relies on old architecture (exchange servers.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s two important points there though. Microsoft has the capability to use the real-time web and Wave (Google) is going to have to allow communication with other apps/protocols &#8211; email, IM, SMS, etc.</p>
<p>Looking at this from a PLM/CAD perspective into the future, the innovation all starts with bits of text. It&#8217;s all 1 and 0&#8242;s right? If we can do this with email, why not with product data and geometry next?</p>
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		<title>By: olegshilovitsky</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[olegshilovitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jovan, 

Thanks! My point wasn&#039;t to say GW is limited, but figure out a little bit different approach. I&#039;m sure people from Google Apps still have a lot of things to do and I think Sergey Brin mentioned it in his interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAgPM7EVZk 

I didn&#039;t want to stress out relationship to OSS, since this is turns discussion in different directions. But, I agree, Wave could be good collaboration platform for the future. - Best. Oleg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jovan, </p>
<p>Thanks! My point wasn&#8217;t to say GW is limited, but figure out a little bit different approach. I&#8217;m sure people from Google Apps still have a lot of things to do and I think Sergey Brin mentioned it in his interview. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAgPM7EVZk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAgPM7EVZk</a> </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t want to stress out relationship to OSS, since this is turns discussion in different directions. But, I agree, Wave could be good collaboration platform for the future. &#8211; Best. Oleg.</p>
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		<title>By: Jovan</title>
		<link>http://plmtwine.com/2009/06/02/plm-collaboration-to-catch-wave-vs-to-share-list/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jovan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oleg,
Excelent point to compare SharePoint and Wave. I am still under the excitement of this new product and here is a couple of thoughts about what you wrote.
You say that on the content side, Wave is still limited. I disagree on that. Wave shows lot&#039;s of promising things that make me think it&#039;s not limited at all:
- In term of edition, Gdocuments is more than sufficient for a company like valeo to envisage to only use them. I have no doubts that it will be integrated in wave.
- In term of connection with other data view. Don&#039;t forget this is an open platform. Anybody can definitely write the necessary bridges to Wave from the moment we&#039;re on a SaaS architecture. The possibilities are countless from my perspective (validation by wave (the yes no maybe) with discussion capture, Task list management....)

In term of future, my biggest expectation is to have a review tool like 3Dlive integrated with wave... that would be awesome. You could use the &quot;time machine&quot; in order to see how the global design evolves,...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oleg,<br />
Excelent point to compare SharePoint and Wave. I am still under the excitement of this new product and here is a couple of thoughts about what you wrote.<br />
You say that on the content side, Wave is still limited. I disagree on that. Wave shows lot&#8217;s of promising things that make me think it&#8217;s not limited at all:<br />
- In term of edition, Gdocuments is more than sufficient for a company like valeo to envisage to only use them. I have no doubts that it will be integrated in wave.<br />
- In term of connection with other data view. Don&#8217;t forget this is an open platform. Anybody can definitely write the necessary bridges to Wave from the moment we&#8217;re on a SaaS architecture. The possibilities are countless from my perspective (validation by wave (the yes no maybe) with discussion capture, Task list management&#8230;.)</p>
<p>In term of future, my biggest expectation is to have a review tool like 3Dlive integrated with wave&#8230; that would be awesome. You could use the &#8220;time machine&#8221; in order to see how the global design evolves,&#8230;</p>
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