Comments on: PLM Prompt: Should PLM think about Google Apps?

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Thu, 28 May 2009 10:23:48 +0000

[...] and came up with Google Apps. I polled your Google Apps opinion last week in PLM Prompt Should PLM think about Google Apps? You also need to check what was result of Kate’s Cloud Watching, but I’ve seen definite [...]

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 18 May 2009 03:19:24 +0000

Security is important concern for most of enterprise apps today. When I’m talking about cost I mean combined cost – IT, installations, upgrades… Take for example Gmail off-line solution. Can you get something similar today for enterprise web deployments?

By: Mark Holman

Mark Holman — Mon, 18 May 2009 02:59:33 +0000

I agree that the majority of applications will head toward cloud over some time horizon (I would say more like 10+ years). I’m not sure that cost is the only driver for selection — reliability, security, and quality of solution will matter much more for some markets and will keep them right on the ground and out of the clouds.

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 18 May 2009 02:53:34 +0000

Mark, thanks, this is probably good trade-off. Acceptance of cloud-based solutions will grow because it will become cheaper and cheaper. I will give you an example. Your gmail is bigger by size compared to any corporate mail box. This is impact of cost in my view.
Similar situations will happen with other solutions as well. -Oleg

By: Mark Holman

Mark Holman — Mon, 18 May 2009 02:48:35 +0000

Oleg,

I think technologies have long tails (see vacuum tubes). Having consulted with some traditional providers and customers, there is a segment of the market that will be a long time off in transitioning, and some that may “never” (see companies with ITAR requirements). Therefore, I think major vendors need to embrace the reality of the hybrid (some cloud/some on premise) and think about how to get the best of both worlds. I think this is the realistic long term path.

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Mon, 18 May 2009 02:40:10 +0000

Jeroen, Thanks for coming to discuss on plmtwine! I understand your point with regards to German manufacturers. I believe, this is also reason why they declined SAP SaaS offering too. With regards to your comments about MS. I think co-existence is probably the most reasonable thing MS can tell. They need potentially to take care about both- local installed desktop software and future cloud computing. My main point was if we are all agree cloud is the future, may be PLM need to try cloud platforms like Google? And may be this is will be practically used by our customers in 5 years from now ? -Oleg

By: jeroen

jeroen — Sun, 17 May 2009 19:02:45 +0000

Pretty interesting to read about “apps on tap” again, marketed this time via the new buzzword called “Cloud” Computing. Coming from the “old World”, as Mr bush once called it, visionary companies might see the real power here again but most german manufacturers for example won’t touch this thing for years. But I wonder, what the motivation was last time they did not jump on the bandwagon from Microsoft or other big players. Microsoft told me an interesting story about they still see a 5 to 10 years of a combined Local Installed Software interacting with Cloud Computing in the background for resource intensive actions like data analysis, etc. Let’s see where we end up this time Jeroen

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Sat, 16 May 2009 12:26:34 +0000

Kate, fax is answer on “concerns” people still have with regards to online/cloud and other apps. Actually people already have no concern to office apps (like if you have USB stick and MS Excel, you are 100% safe). With online/cloud and other apps, this is still not true. Therefore people are printing reports and sending order by fax. I think in French hotels this is also liability concern related to existence of order. Will be glad to see results of you “cloud concern” vote. Best- Oleg.

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Sat, 16 May 2009 12:22:29 +0000

Lars, thanks for joining conversation. I think Kate provided best answer. Dinosaurs will co-exist some time… Just need to disconnect from them. Otherwise we know what happened to them dinosaurs … Thanks for your comments and welcome to plmtwine discussion!. Oleg.

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Sat, 16 May 2009 12:20:11 +0000

Josh, thanks! You raised valid point – what PLM will get from adoption of Google Apps and infrastructure. I see lots of undiscovered – storage, simple apps, availability, etc. The most important feedback for me is your personal use. You (as designer) are ready!… -Oleg.