Comments on: PLM Persistent Content and Dynamic 3D PDF

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:56:45 +0000

Dave, Samuel, I think there are two big questions: Physical Storage and Logical Format. With last development around cloud platforms, I’d expect physical storage problem to be resolved in the visible future. From standpoint of logical data access, I think situation is complex and to support 50 years operational lifecycle will be complicated task. Best, Oleg

By: Dave Opsahl

Dave Opsahl — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:56:55 +0000

Samuel,

There may be statutory requirements, but what may trump them in many cases are the practical requirements.

The Civil Aviation Board or the Federal Aviation Administration might require product data for aircraft to be kept for twenty years, but in reality what is more a concern for Boeing or Airbus is that as long as one aircraft of that type is still flying, the possibility of a lawsuit exists.

So you keep the data until they all have achieved EOL status. Given that there are DC-3′s (circa 1940′s design) still in commercial operation, that gives you a potential archive period of almost 70 years…

Now, for the iPhone….somewhat shorter..

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By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:07:03 +0000

Samuel, I think solution you are looking for may exist in aerospace companies. And I’m sure this is special development they did. Some of them keep papers, PDF framed solutions, but more advanced customers will try to keep 3D data. This is trend in my view. The good opportunity to speak about it if you are in DS eco-system is COE conference next week in Seattle (http://www.coe.org/). – Regards,Oleg.

By: Samuel

Samuel — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:53:33 +0000

Interesting discussion about archiving formats! But does anyone know what the legislation is with respect to the length of product data archiving? Is it 20 years (I’ve heard something like this)? And when do we start to count? After release to customer or after creation of data?

By: Chris Williams

Chris Williams — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:09:17 +0000

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By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:30:51 +0000

Garth,
My point, first of all, is not about offline content, but about persistent content. Persistent means available for very long period of time – years. Today PLM have very little focus on this. Most of the organization dump PDF files with drawings and don’t have much capabilities to keep track of product development information, change track etc. PLM by nature is mostly operational system as of today, but future will change it, since people will want to know more about their decisions in the past as well about what they did in the past. The need will be also highly pressured by regulation, e-Discovery and other legal aspects. PDF have very high level of adoption. If we can enhance PDF model it can be good candidate to be used for long-life storages.

With regards to PLM 2.0, I think they aim first, improve collaboration and still don’t come to the point where concept of PLM IP management will be changed. PLM 2.0 make Product IP reliable and available for product development first. Long term persistent storages are still out of focus in PLM 2.0.

Regards – Oleg

By: Garth

Garth — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:45:36 +0000

Oleg,

As it relates to offline, disconnected filebased containers, PDF is definitely a strong offering. But you hit the issue squarely on the head when you said, “It’s still a file! So, if we continue to package product information into PDF files, we will end up with a huge amount of files to manage.”

When you need to send something to someone who is not in the same connected environment as you, a “file” is a way to share that data. However, in a connected world, such as we have with the web, then we need share content in a more direct, file-less, and dynamic way. I believe this is the promise of PLM 2.0, and the ability for interactive content to be deployed through this framework — and have it be tailored into the right representation/presentation format based on the user/role that is accessing the data.

Once I send out a file, then I have to track it, secure it, recall it, re-issue it for updates, etc. Imagine surfing the internet by email! It would be impossible and never dynamic, and there would be incredible amounts of data duplication. We must bring the power of interconnected networks of people (ie: social media) to the realm of interconnected networks of product information. It may take some time, but most of the technology is there to be harnessed — but I am not clear that PDF is part of that interconnected environment (but perhaps merely an “offline” version/copy of what you need).

What do you think?

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:53:59 +0000

Hi Bill, This is very possible scenario. What I mentioned as ability to manage data across PDF files can be really capabilities provided by cloud infrastructure. – Thanks for pointing this out. And yes, nice UI experience idea – Oleg

By: olegshilovitsky

olegshilovitsky — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:25:26 +0000

Dick, I think analogy between warehouse and transaction systems is very appropriated in this case. Warehouse keep track for huge amount of historical released data and trasactional system works on operational side. PDF is good for persistent read-only info, this is keeps released data very well. But may have connection to modification of data. For example tools that work on tessellated geometry. – Oleg